\”If you\’re honest, you\’ll simply admit that you don\’t care whether your fellow human beings can have the same benefits you enjoy.\”
Any man can marry any woman who\’ll have him, and any woman can marry any man who\’ll have her. That\’s the only right that I enjoy by way of marriage, and it is not denied to anyone that I\’m aware of.
These envious narcissists want to destroy what they can\’t have -marriage- by perverting it just like they have perverted sex. There will be no reason to deny polygamy and group marriage once sex perverts are allowed to marry. Take it to the bank. Write to your representatives in Washington and demand that they pass the Marriage Protection Act.
Dubya: \”The sad irony is that child molesters, rapists and murderers ALREADY QUALIFY FOR THE STATE\’S HEALTH PLAN! They simply have to be married, or lie and say they are married. Doesn\’t this bother you?\”
What bothers me is that 2-3% of the population is homosexual, while half of the child molestation is homosexual. Do the math to see how many more hundreds of times a child molester is likely to be a homosexual.
\”Any man can marry any woman who\’ll have him, and any woman can marry any man who\’ll have her. That\’s the only right that I enjoy by way of marriage, and it is not denied to anyone that I\’m aware of.\”
Being married confers on you special rights by the state and federal government that are denied to non-married couples. If you don\’t want gays to marry, that\’s fine, but why not let them get affordable health insurance?
\”What bothers me is that 2-3% of the population is homosexual, while half of the child molestation is homosexual. Do the math to see how many more hundreds of times a child molester is likely to be a homosexual.\”
Well correct me if I am mistaken, but if 2% of people are responsible for 50% of something, they are 250 times as frequently responsible as the other 98%.
It is interesting that you would rather talk math than morals, though you are wwrong on both counts.
\”Well correct me if I am mistaken, but if 2% of people are responsible for 50% of something, they are 250 times as frequently responsible as the other 98%.
It is interesting that you would rather talk math than morals, though you are wwrong on both counts.\”
What would be the point of discussing morals? You believe homosexuality causes child molestation, and you\’re willing to manipulate statistics to prove it to yourself. I know facts won\’t change your mind, so a discussion of morals is even less likely.
But factually, you are wrong about the percentage of homosexuals in the population, and you are wrong in your interpretation of the connection between homosexuality and molestation. Your conclusions are not justified by the research. In addition, the fact that 90% of child molesters might be right-handed does not mean that right-handedness leads to molestation.
But even assuming your incorrect numbers were correct, you seem to be multiplying 50 by 50% to come up with a factor of 250. Meaningless.
And I wasn\’t doing math but mis-remembering what I had read. The fact is that a homosexual is \”only\” about 20 times more likely to molest a child than a heterosexual, which you might find comforting but I don\’t.
As for the percentage of the population that is homosexual, your beef is not with me but with the Centers for Disease Control’s National Center for Health Statistics, from a 2002 National Survey of Family Growth, based on 12,571 interviews with men and women ages 15-44 years of age.
Like you, this web site has an agenda of associating homosexuality with evil. It does not even come close to meeting accepted standards of statistical analysis.
\”And I wasn\’t doing math but mis-remembering what I had read. The fact is that a homosexual is \”only\” about 20 times more likely to molest a child than a heterosexual, which you might find comforting but I don\’t.\”
I don\’t find it comforting either, but fortunately, it\’s not true.
\”As for the percentage of the population that is homosexual, your beef is not with me but with the Centers for Disease Control\’s National Center for Health Statistics, from a 2002 National Survey of Family Growth, based on 12,571 interviews with men and women ages 15-44 years of age.\”
Again, you can cherry-pick the studies you want to believe are true. Doesn\’t make it so. They go from less than 2% to more than 10%. They\’re all estimations, and one reason they vary is because of how the questions are posed and what the definition of homosexuality is.
Anyway, I\’m still waiting for someone to explain why they deserve affordable health care and gays do not.
My agenda, like Family Research Council\’s, is truth. Yours is apparently excusing disease-spreading, soul destroying behavior. I don\’t think that the CDC has an anti-homosexual agenda, do you?
\”Anyway, I\’m still waiting for someone to explain why they deserve affordable health care and gays do not.\”
The reason for marriage is not to share fringe benefits, it is an exclusive covenant of intimate companionship, dedicated to raising children and promoting the wellbeing of its members. Your desire to overthrow two millenia of Christian civilization in the name of benefits for sex perverts speaks for itself.
Homosexuals, like anyone else, can purchase whatever they can afford including healthcare. But health insurance can hardly be considered a right, and paying for the health insurance of two buggers is hardly my duty.
We should discourage self-destructive behavior like sodomy and smoking, rather than encourage them. I realize that with your moral and logical faculties being stunted as they are, you will not understand this. I feel like I\’m trying to describe colors to a blind man.
If you care to respond do so but I am through with this thread.
\”My agenda, like Family Research Council\’s, is truth. Yours is apparently excusing disease-spreading, soul destroying behavior. I don\’t think that the CDC has an anti-homosexual agenda, do you?\”
Your agenda is spreading the truth as you believe it to be, and ignoring anything that does not support your view. I didn\’t say the CDC was wrong or lying, merely that it was one of many studies which have different results. This means that when you evaluate evidence, you have to spend a little more time trying to understand what it means, rather than rely on what your favorite web site tells you it means.
\”The reason for marriage is not to share fringe benefits, it is an exclusive covenant of intimate companionship, dedicated to raising children and promoting the wellbeing of its members. Your desire to overthrow two millenia of Christian civilization in the name of benefits for sex perverts speaks for itself. Homosexuals, like anyone else, can purchase whatever they can afford including healthcare. But health insurance can hardly be considered a right, and paying for the health insurance of two buggers is hardly my duty.\”
If you had been reading this thread, you would understand that I agree with you on what the reason for marriage is. But employers have taken the status of marriage and now use it to determine who qualifies for health care benefits. Maybe you can understand this example: You work for the same company as a man in a homosexual relationship with children. They have both decided that what they are doing is a sin and they have entered a program sponsored by the Family Research Council to help them correct their ways. They are struggling to do what you and they think is the right thing. You have affordable insurance through your employer. They do not. They go bankrupt when their child gets a life threatening disease.
I\’m not asking why they can\’t marry, I\’m asking you why YOU deserve to have affordable health care and THEY do not. Because they\’re sinners? Why don\’t you let God do the punishing in the afterlife and say to yourself, WWJD?
\”We should discourage self-destructive behavior like sodomy and smoking, rather than encourage them. I realize that with your moral and logical faculties being stunted as they are, you will not understand this. I feel like I\’m trying to describe colors to a blind man. If you care to respond do so but I am through with this thread.\”
I\’ve enjoyed our time together. Feel free to stop back if you want clarification.
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\”If you\’re honest, you\’ll simply admit that you don\’t care whether your fellow human beings can have the same benefits you enjoy.\”
Any man can marry any woman who\’ll have him, and any woman can marry any man who\’ll have her. That\’s the only right that I enjoy by way of marriage, and it is not denied to anyone that I\’m aware of.
These envious narcissists want to destroy what they can\’t have -marriage- by perverting it just like they have perverted sex. There will be no reason to deny polygamy and group marriage once sex perverts are allowed to marry. Take it to the bank. Write to your representatives in Washington and demand that they pass the Marriage Protection Act.
Dubya: \”The sad irony is that child molesters, rapists and murderers ALREADY QUALIFY FOR THE STATE\’S HEALTH PLAN! They simply have to be married, or lie and say they are married. Doesn\’t this bother you?\”
What bothers me is that 2-3% of the population is homosexual, while half of the child molestation is homosexual. Do the math to see how many more hundreds of times a child molester is likely to be a homosexual.
\”Any man can marry any woman who\’ll have him, and any woman can marry any man who\’ll have her. That\’s the only right that I enjoy by way of marriage, and it is not denied to anyone that I\’m aware of.\”
Being married confers on you special rights by the state and federal government that are denied to non-married couples. If you don\’t want gays to marry, that\’s fine, but why not let them get affordable health insurance?
\”What bothers me is that 2-3% of the population is homosexual, while half of the child molestation is homosexual. Do the math to see how many more hundreds of times a child molester is likely to be a homosexual.\”
Hmm. I hope you don\’t work as an actuary.
Well correct me if I am mistaken, but if 2% of people are responsible for 50% of something, they are 250 times as frequently responsible as the other 98%.
It is interesting that you would rather talk math than morals, though you are wwrong on both counts.
\”Well correct me if I am mistaken, but if 2% of people are responsible for 50% of something, they are 250 times as frequently responsible as the other 98%.
It is interesting that you would rather talk math than morals, though you are wwrong on both counts.\”
What would be the point of discussing morals? You believe homosexuality causes child molestation, and you\’re willing to manipulate statistics to prove it to yourself. I know facts won\’t change your mind, so a discussion of morals is even less likely.
But factually, you are wrong about the percentage of homosexuals in the population, and you are wrong in your interpretation of the connection between homosexuality and molestation. Your conclusions are not justified by the research. In addition, the fact that 90% of child molesters might be right-handed does not mean that right-handedness leads to molestation.
But even assuming your incorrect numbers were correct, you seem to be multiplying 50 by 50% to come up with a factor of 250. Meaningless.
The figure is 40% to 50% depending on the source, and you can read about it here: http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_EduPamphlet2.html#refs.
And I wasn\’t doing math but mis-remembering what I had read. The fact is that a homosexual is \”only\” about 20 times more likely to molest a child than a heterosexual, which you might find comforting but I don\’t.
As for the percentage of the population that is homosexual, your beef is not with me but with the Centers for Disease Control’s National Center for Health Statistics, from a 2002 National Survey of Family Growth, based on 12,571 interviews with men and women ages 15-44 years of age.
\”The figure is 40% to 50% depending on the source, and you can read about it here: http://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRI_EduPamphlet2.html#refs.\”
Like you, this web site has an agenda of associating homosexuality with evil. It does not even come close to meeting accepted standards of statistical analysis.
\”And I wasn\’t doing math but mis-remembering what I had read. The fact is that a homosexual is \”only\” about 20 times more likely to molest a child than a heterosexual, which you might find comforting but I don\’t.\”
I don\’t find it comforting either, but fortunately, it\’s not true.
\”As for the percentage of the population that is homosexual, your beef is not with me but with the Centers for Disease Control\’s National Center for Health Statistics, from a 2002 National Survey of Family Growth, based on 12,571 interviews with men and women ages 15-44 years of age.\”
Again, you can cherry-pick the studies you want to believe are true. Doesn\’t make it so. They go from less than 2% to more than 10%. They\’re all estimations, and one reason they vary is because of how the questions are posed and what the definition of homosexuality is.
Anyway, I\’m still waiting for someone to explain why they deserve affordable health care and gays do not.
My agenda, like Family Research Council\’s, is truth. Yours is apparently excusing disease-spreading, soul destroying behavior. I don\’t think that the CDC has an anti-homosexual agenda, do you?
\”Anyway, I\’m still waiting for someone to explain why they deserve affordable health care and gays do not.\”
The reason for marriage is not to share fringe benefits, it is an exclusive covenant of intimate companionship, dedicated to raising children and promoting the wellbeing of its members. Your desire to overthrow two millenia of Christian civilization in the name of benefits for sex perverts speaks for itself.
Homosexuals, like anyone else, can purchase whatever they can afford including healthcare. But health insurance can hardly be considered a right, and paying for the health insurance of two buggers is hardly my duty.
We should discourage self-destructive behavior like sodomy and smoking, rather than encourage them. I realize that with your moral and logical faculties being stunted as they are, you will not understand this. I feel like I\’m trying to describe colors to a blind man.
If you care to respond do so but I am through with this thread.
\”My agenda, like Family Research Council\’s, is truth. Yours is apparently excusing disease-spreading, soul destroying behavior. I don\’t think that the CDC has an anti-homosexual agenda, do you?\”
Your agenda is spreading the truth as you believe it to be, and ignoring anything that does not support your view. I didn\’t say the CDC was wrong or lying, merely that it was one of many studies which have different results. This means that when you evaluate evidence, you have to spend a little more time trying to understand what it means, rather than rely on what your favorite web site tells you it means.
\”The reason for marriage is not to share fringe benefits, it is an exclusive covenant of intimate companionship, dedicated to raising children and promoting the wellbeing of its members. Your desire to overthrow two millenia of Christian civilization in the name of benefits for sex perverts speaks for itself. Homosexuals, like anyone else, can purchase whatever they can afford including healthcare. But health insurance can hardly be considered a right, and paying for the health insurance of two buggers is hardly my duty.\”
If you had been reading this thread, you would understand that I agree with you on what the reason for marriage is. But employers have taken the status of marriage and now use it to determine who qualifies for health care benefits. Maybe you can understand this example: You work for the same company as a man in a homosexual relationship with children. They have both decided that what they are doing is a sin and they have entered a program sponsored by the Family Research Council to help them correct their ways. They are struggling to do what you and they think is the right thing. You have affordable insurance through your employer. They do not. They go bankrupt when their child gets a life threatening disease.
I\’m not asking why they can\’t marry, I\’m asking you why YOU deserve to have affordable health care and THEY do not. Because they\’re sinners? Why don\’t you let God do the punishing in the afterlife and say to yourself, WWJD?
\”We should discourage self-destructive behavior like sodomy and smoking, rather than encourage them. I realize that with your moral and logical faculties being stunted as they are, you will not understand this. I feel like I\’m trying to describe colors to a blind man. If you care to respond do so but I am through with this thread.\”
I\’ve enjoyed our time together. Feel free to stop back if you want clarification.