Heavy-Duty Restricted Guns Legally Sold in Texas

By Dane Schiller | January 18, 2013

  • January 18, 2013 at 3:03 pm
    bob says:
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    not really “news”, just a story. in the 85 years since fully automatic weapons have been restricted, the are no cases of a legally owned firearm being used in criminal activity. anybody who passes the fed license requirement, and has the finances to buy one, is not going to use it for illegal activity. the article failed to mention not just the cost of acquiriing, but the cost to fire limits who will own one. ammo isn’t cheap, and ammo for the .50 costs at least $3 per bank. put a pencil to that and you eliminate a lot of buyers.

  • January 18, 2013 at 3:12 pm
    Al says:
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    *The price of an M-16 before 1986 cost about $800, and now goes for about $20,000.*

    This is false. You can get civilian versions for $1k-$1.5k, and often for much less. Of course, the shelves are bare due to history’s greatest guns salesman, B. Hussein Obama.

    M-16’s are not full auto either. The military version has single shot and burst (three round) options. And your DI will tell you never to use the burst option. The civilian models come without the burst.

    The militia is comprised of able bodied men 18-40 in most states. They are to arm themselves with whatever they want. Standing armies are tools of tyrants. Militia is the countervailing force to the govt. Look it up.

    In response to a proposal for gun registration George Washington said, in 1790, “Absolutely not. If the people are armed and the ‘federalists’ do not know where the arms are, there can never be an oppressive government.”

    Tom Jefferson: “The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in Government.”

    Tom Paine: “Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property. Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them.”

    George Mason: “To disarm the people; that it was the best and most effectual way to enslave them.”

  • January 18, 2013 at 5:03 pm
    Adjuster says:
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    No one is taking your guns, Al. No one will ever take your guns. Period. Not President Barack Obama (I saw the Faux News presentation there, nice snarky dig), not Congress.

    M-16s, at least the A-1 versions, had three selector settings; safe, auto and single. Only the A2 and up have the three burst and single settings, and the early ones had four, safe, auto, burst and single.

    You have NO reason to own an automatic weapon. No legitimate reason anyway, and if you do, I want the government to know where it is and how you secure it.

    Gun “enthusiasts” always forget the “Well regulated militia” part of the Second Amendment…

  • January 18, 2013 at 5:12 pm
    Adjuster says:
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    “The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.”-Unproven! This quote was not found in the Jeffersonian Cyclopedia but several websites have attributed this to Jefferson.

    “Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property…Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them.” (Thomas Paine, Thoughts On Defensive War, 1775)

    George Mason – actual quote –
    That the People have a right to keep and bear Arms; that a well regulated Militia, composed of the Body of the People, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe Defence of a free state.

  • January 18, 2013 at 5:15 pm
    Adjuster says:
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    Militia was NEVER the “countervailing force to the government”. George Mason and many others distrusted standing armies in the late 18th century, such as the British. They preferred a militia made up of citizens and raised only when needed to a standing army.

    the militia was ALWAYS meant as a means to defend the country and its government, not a threat to overthrow it. That is called TREASON when you raise an army to oppose your own government.

    lesson endeth.

  • January 21, 2013 at 9:13 am
    Al says:
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    Adjuster says: No one is taking your guns, Al. No one will ever take your guns. Period. Not President Barack Obama (I saw the Faux News presentation there, nice snarky dig), not Congress.

    Huh. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/jan/17/west-point-center-cites-dangers-far-right-us/

    http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/rightwing.pdf

    Adjuster says: M-16s, at least the A-1 versions, had three selector settings; safe, auto and single. Only the A2 and up have the three burst and single settings, and the early ones had four, safe, auto, burst and single.

    I notice you used the past tense “had.” My Marine son tells me that the M-16 *is* not full auto, but what’s he know.

    Adjuster says: You have NO reason to own an automatic weapon. No legitimate reason anyway, and if you do, I want the government to know where it is and how you secure it.

    Our founders disagree. Rights are gifts of God who has His own “reasons” for conferring them.

    Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States. A military force, at the command of Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power, and jealousy will instantly inspire the inclination, to resist the execution of a law which appears to them unjust and oppressive. -Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution (Philadelphia 1787).

    Richard Henry Lee: Whereas, to preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them; nor does it follow from this, that all promiscuously must go into actual service on every occasion. The mind that aims at a select militia, must be influenced by a truly anti-republican principle; and when we see many men disposed to practice upon it, whenever they can prevail, no wonder true republicans are for carefully guarding against it. The Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.

    George Mason- When the resolution of enslaving America was formed in Great Britain, the British Parliament was advised by an artful man, who was governor of Pennsylvania, to disarm the people; that it was the best and most effectual way to enslave them; but that they should not do it openly, but weaken them, and let them sink gradually…I ask, who are the militia? They consist of now of the whole people, except a few public officers. But I cannot say who will be the militia of the future day. If that paper on the table gets no alteration, the militia of the future day may not consist of all classes, high and low, and rich and poor. -Notes from the VA Constitutional Convention.

    Alexander Hamilton: “If circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude, that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their rights and those of their fellow citizens.” — The Federalist, No. 29
    Adjuster says: “The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.”-Unproven! This quote was not found in the Jeffersonian Cyclopedia but several websites have attributed this to Jefferson.

    Thanks for that. See the others.

    Anyhow, what part of “shall not be infringed” do you not understand?



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